tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8281898744624594172.post514652210262755519..comments2023-09-30T08:05:10.721-04:00Comments on And Yet It Moves: Computers, DNA, and the Origin of LifeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13832931497605041428noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8281898744624594172.post-85838268767986434142009-11-24T01:12:54.957-05:002009-11-24T01:12:54.957-05:00i don't believe in chaos theory, just chaos. ...i don't believe in chaos theory, just chaos. adding theory tries to tie down the untie-able ya know?<br /><br />thanks for responding tho. btw i finally started posting in my blog, its random and you may not like allot of what i post, but i thought i'd sharebairdduvessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06781443285628475955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8281898744624594172.post-33186432838690077482009-11-23T16:55:42.011-05:002009-11-23T16:55:42.011-05:00Hey Mike,
Sorry it wasn't what you expected. ...Hey Mike,<br /><br />Sorry it wasn't what you expected. :) I agree that too often people on all sides of the argument are only interested in gloating in the supposed stupidity of their intellectual opponents. I hope this post didn't come across as condescending. <br /><br />I also agree that we don't have a good grasp on the origin of life; that was part of the point of the post. While I wasn't suggesting that we can say with any certainty that life was designed, I think at this point design offers a more robust explanation than any materialistic approach. Re-reading my computer example, it does sound a little silly, but I think the point is strong: that living things share a similar type of contingency with computers. Both are made of ordinary elements but have extraordinary functions because of their complex arrangements. <br /><br />As for chaos theory, I know Stuart Kauffman is the guru of self-organizing, complexity from chaos theories of the origin of life. From what I've read, he has some important criticisms of standard origin of life theories, but many scientists feel his work has little connection with real chemistry and physics. We simply don't have any experience of chaos producing any complicated machinery of any kind, organic or inorganic. We have abundant experience of design producing machinery. Particularly fascinating is the growing field of biotechnology, where humans co-opt designs from nature in our own technology, underscoring the similar underlying principles of both human technology and living organisms.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832931497605041428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8281898744624594172.post-4831116680450661562009-11-23T02:24:41.367-05:002009-11-23T02:24:41.367-05:00to be honest i am disappointed Jeff, I was hoping ...to be honest i am disappointed Jeff, I was hoping this essay would be about post humanism, transhumanism and the like.<br />while your theory is a good theory, one cannot say that these elements had to come through via design. there is a great amount of chaos out there that shapes the universe and how it is formed.<br />while it is difficult to fully describe how the four basic ingredients came to be...it is in my opinion an error to say that chaos had nothing to do with it. <br />then again i believe that life is a cosmic accident, and if the universe was able to perceive itself then it would consider life as we know it as a joke. <br />people these days spend too much time trying to understand what caused what to further their own beliefs and arguments and say that others are stupid. both sides of the coin do so. and both sides are wrong.<br />we are not yet at our stage in evolution where we can fully comprehend the origins of life, and i do not think we will ever get that far due to our own greed, stupidity and narrow minds.<br />your computer bit had me laughing, it was like trying to watch some one understand romantic notions of alchemy and explain it.<br />i know that may come across as condescending and it is not meant that way.<br />which is kind of my point in a way.<br /><br />let me reword this. have you ever seen those youtube videos of little kids trying to explain starwars after seeing it for the first time?<br />that is what trying to explain the origins is like to another person. we are not there yet. we have not seen the movie enough times to understand what it was the move was trying to say.<br /><br />this would probably make more sense if it wasn't 230am. hehbairdduvessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06781443285628475955noreply@blogger.com